This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
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Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
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Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
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Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
Hook should make sense grammatically.
Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)
For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
Check that there's a bold link to the article.
If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
At the upper left
Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
Change |passed= to |passed=yes
At the bottom
Just above the line containing
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insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
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Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
View the edit history for that page
Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.
Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."
The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to fix this up a bit more. The article is mostly a translation of the German Wikipedia article. Will be done in less than 24 hours. Thriley (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't. I just went in to check the article myself and you have an error in ref #20. And I strongly suspect that may have been what @Muboshgu: was referring to. And I think that single-sentence paragraph should be merged and the lead lengthened.--Launchballer17:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article now says which are considered to have had an influence on Einstein, which is not great. Alt 1 is not either, I'm sure Einstein read a ton of books. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2... that Felix Eberty, who wrote an 1846 book which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", was called "an original and ingenious person" by Albert Einstein in 1923? Source: "Albert Einstein wrote a foreword for a new edition in 1923 in which he called Eberty "an original and ingenious person"" New YorkerThriley (talk) 04:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I won't assess any hooks until the article issues are remedied. I will say that ALT2's cruising for a pruning whether it checks out or not.--Launchballer05:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Passerby comment (this is not a full review, feel free for others to take this nomination to review): to a reader without context not familiar with characters in the show, "Stormfront's lightning" will read weirdly, like a misspelled comment on the brightness of the Stormfront website. "Researched" is also a bit high-falutin', it's not like they actually did some physics research for the episode - the source quotes them as saying "we looked at Nikola Tesla". Maybe something like:
ALT2: that writers for the episode "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack used by the malicious superheroine Stormfront?
It might be too late by now, I do not know, but ALT 2 sounds fine to me. TarheelBornBred (talk) 1:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
@TarheelBornBred: I am afraid this nomination is ineligible as it does not meet the requirements of WP:DYKNEW, i.e. it was not created, promoted to good article status or expanded fivefold in the seven days leading up to the nomination. If it were to reach good article status then the nomination could be resubmitted. CSJJ104 (talk) 23:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can determine, all of the edits prior to 3 June were done in draft space, and on 3 June the article was recreated (rather than moved) in mainspace. This would make the "new" date 3 June, and a nomination three days later, on 6 June, would certainly be eligible for DYK. CSJJ104, do you have any evidence to the contrary? TarheelBornBred, is this what happened? I strongly suspect that this needs a full review, and the sooner that can be done, the better. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:I finished the draft someone had created and published the article on June 3, and then later the history of the article while it was in draft space was merged into the history of the article after I published it. So, I believe, by your estimation, it should be eligible because it was published in the appropriate window. Thanks BlueMoonset for the oversight. TarheelBornBred (talk) 17:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - The phrase "experiments undergone by Nikola Tesla" in the article reads to me as if the experiments were performed on Tesla, which I don't think was the intention. Possibly this can be better worded?
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rating this article as a Start seems... pretty low (is it "developing but still quite incomplete"?). If I may be frank, this review is seems a little harsh. ALT0 was not taken out of context: the reviewer is saying that the documentary was funny, no (see the quote)? I don't know how to address the charge of ALT1 being boring (I thought that something being unnerving and making a reviewer regret watching was interesting), and as for ALT2, I don't really follow: I believe that they did call the hotline in the documentary. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of "original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context", given that it is the same formulation as the source. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as "Concise opinions that are not overly emotive can often be reported with attribution instead of direct quotation" (second paragraph). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: I don't understand how hilarious is more neutral than funny, given that funny seems like a not overly emotive... simple descriptive term. I also do not think that it is necessary to mention which source that is in the hook, given that it goes against much of established practice – if you see theleekycauldron's essay (and its application of WP:WEASEL), the addition of "a reviewer" is already more than what is necessary. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sdrqaz: Except the reviewer didn't just say funny but so funny, which is near-synonymous with hilarious; the latter can just be as neutral with proper attribution to the speaker. I concede to the "reviewer" bit, tho; I've slightly modified my alt suggestion to reflect this.Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the issue with ALT0b's that is that it's comparable to the so in the actual source: by changing so funny to that hilarious, you're actually changing the degree of humor (yes, I can't believe that I am saying this) to so so funny. New review of the hooks requested, given ltbdl's inactivity on this; other parts of the review have been completed. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't do an end run around a previous reviewer. Consensus is required to run a hook, and ltbdl made a review that objected in good faith to ALT0. I will say that I don't see at all how ALT0 takes a quote out of context, and I do support it running. Either ltbdl can withdraw their objection, or I can ask for more voices at WT:DYK to see if we can get a consensus to run this anyway. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed your suggestion to ALT0c as ALT0b was suggested above, and changed indentation per MOS:INDENTMIX. I feel that such a change would be adding extraneous information with little benefit (see WP:DYKTRIM). ALT0 and ALT0a are absolutely fine and within policy; I don't understand why extra information needs to be added to it. As leeky suggested, I'm going to start a discussion at WT:DYK given how long this has now languished. Sdrqaz (talk) 23:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My ALT0c added "Liz Carr's 2024" and "quite", both of which I would describe as necessary context, which should be provided per WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE. I'm sure a more merciless prepbuilder will excise any bits they deem extraneous.--Launchballer11:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha and Mehedi Abedin: The article has a citation needed tag and needs copyediting for sentences such as "Parents of Choudhary and Sarojs have been MPs/MLAs and of Jatav have been deputy sarpanch", "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short", etc. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: The tag wasn’t' there when I was inspecting the article as a reviewer. Also the article was good to me in that time and it was edited many times by many users and ip after review. Mehedi Abedin11:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this needs to be rephrased. '33% of MPs will be required to be women although new Lok Sabha has only 14%?' It's 33 percent of MPs are mandated to be women, not 33 percent of women MPs; there is a fundamental difference. Will Thorpe (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This hook feels really wordy, which is why I think it hasn't been promoted yet. Is there any way to trim it a bit? What about this? ♠PMC♠ (talk)02:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So wait, basically the hook is that the percentage of female MPs is less than what's mandated by a law that isn't even in force yet? I'm not sure I find that particularly surprising or intriguing. ♠PMC♠ (talk)19:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes.... its way less that what would be required by maybe next elections. I understand the hook is becoming un-interesting as we are being factually correct. Hence i was using "will be required" and skipping the part of "when will it be required". If you have any other suggestions, we can think of those too. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short than the 33% which will be required after the Women's Reservation Bill, 2023 is enforced after the delimitation of constituencies happens post this 2024 elections." That sentence doesn't make much sense without context. Consider rewording it to flow better like the original proposed hooks. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mehedi Abedin and Trainsandotherthings: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. Only ALT2 passes WP:DYKINT and it would need an end-of-sentence citation in any event. This could still do with a robust copyedit, which I see it's been waiting for. (I tried, but I physically can't read WP:PARAGRAPHs of that length.) Also, big dislike on using a two year old QPQ when we have a heavy backlog, but WP:QPQ specifically states that QPQs do not expire, so I'll take it. This is also long enough, new enough, copyvio-free, and the image is Creative Commons. I think the first two things you need to do are a) give ALT2 and end-of-sentence citation, and b) break up the paragraphs into smaller chunks.--Launchballer10:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find Alt1 to be the most interesting. I find Alt2 to be confusing. What does Indira Gandhi have to do with the birthday of Rahman? VR(Please ping on reply)13:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Done. Please check the article now. I made the paragraphs smaller except "Bangabandhu's perspective" and "Observances" sections because they are already small. Added end-of-sentence citations for all hook. Let me know if there is anything left to do. Mehedi Abedin14:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking. When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for copyediting Majhi. I have copyedited the election article now. You can check it and do minor ce if needed. In a democratic country with regular elections, am not sure how many years of incumbency needs to be turned over to make it "very interesting" for DYK. Do we have a DYK guideline for that somewhere? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough and long enough. QPQ present. This is a unique contribution to DYK as it is three paragraphs and a list; even though one paragraph does not end in an inline citation, I am treating it as a lead-section paragraph. All the list bullet points contain at least one inline citation. The hook fact checks out and is included. Image is OGL-licensed and acceptable for the Main Page. Good to go after 4 July per above. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the review, Sammi! If you've got concerns over the amount of prose in this article, I've expanded the lead with another paragraph. Let me know if you think this has improved things. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 15:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Despite what the sources say, I find it hard to believe that in the hundreds of years there have been prime ministers in the UK, not a single one of them before Boris Johnson has ever broken some law. In fact, it only took me a couple of minutes to find in Robert Walpole: In 1712, Walpole was accused of venality and corruption in the matter of two forage contracts for Scotland. Although it was proven that he had retained none of the money, Walpole was pronounced "guilty of a high breach of trust and notorious corruption".[16] He was impeached by the House of Commons and found guilty by the House of Lords; he was then imprisoned in the Tower of London for six months and expelled from Parliament.
@RoySmith: I believe the distinction is that Johnson is the first serving Prime Minister to be found to have broken the law – the Walpole incident that you're describing occurred nine years before he became Prime Minister. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ambivalent. I think that any hook is DUE as long as it is not unduly negative compared to the article. But I'm not sure if there are BLP problems with this article existing in the first place. If there aren't, I'd be okay with promoting it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the community feels that the current hook is too contentious, then here are some alts that I hope might be preferred instead:
I still feel that the original is the most interesting and "hook"-y, but I'm happy to go with consensus on this. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the character Healie's popularity with players lead to the introduction of monster recruitment in Dragon Quest V, a mechanic that inspired Dragon Quest Monsters?
Comment: It's a little outside the seven days, but my PC was in the middle of being transferred. I considered an ALT, but I felt that any possible ALT would not be as strong as noting the influence of Healie on the direction of the series.
Improved to Good Article status by Cukie Gherkin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
It's borderline since it's at exactly 200 words, but it might be better for the main reviewer to decide. Given this is your second nomination, the reviewer will probably be lenient about the nomination being slightly late. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have had a look at this as second reviewer now. I understand this is your first DYK nomination, so I would also be inclined to be generous. However, there are unfortunately several issues at once here. It was nominated after deadline, and as the previous reviewer pointed out the original hook was too long. It is still long, and winding, and I am sorry to say not very "hooky". I had to read it twice to fully grasp what it was about. The idea of the hook is to be eye-catching, and I think the current hook fails on this criterion as well. IF you can come up with a punchier hook, I'd be happy to take a second look, but otherwise I would suggest we close this nomination. Kind regards, Yakikaki (talk) 19:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith(talk)15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says, "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew says The gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith(talk)19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trainsandotherthings: As this is your nomination, you will know the contents of this article better than a reviewer. I suggest that you propose an ALT1 along with what you suggest above, or several ALTs, so the reviewer can determine the most interesting ones. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ...that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 led to the creation of the first time zone in the United States? Source: America's First Time Zone, the Harvard Gazette "That first voluntary time agreement among the railroads became mandatory a few years later, after an 1853 wreck occurred outside Pawtucket, R.I., on a blind curve known as the Boston Switch...After that, railroad time was mandated along the region’s tracks...The result of all this, said Galison and Schechner, was America’s first time zone" Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the brouhaha about "first" hooks, we will need a much stronger source for the "first time zone" option, or perhaps a revised version that isn't as strong about it being a "first". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is really how to present the hook. We've had issues over "first" hooks for a long while, so if it really is the first we have to be sure that it's right. Otherwise, finding a compromise wording is tricky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is set to be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over corruption allegations?
Strongly suggest that "will be" be replaced by "is set to be" or the equivalent. WP:CRYSTAL applies here to a certain extent: something could happen in the Philippines to change next year's election provider between now and then—it might even revert to the previous provider, however unlikely that seems at the moment—and "will be" is a definite prediction of the future while "is set to be" simply says that this is what's expected as of today. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that an EastEnders storyline depicting Keegan Baker and Shakil Kazemi being stabbed was considered "one of the most important the show has ever embarked on" by executive consultant John Yorke?
Neutral: - Debatable. I don't see a single source that actually agrees that the rifle is actually indigenous, as the Myanma claim. At the same time, I don't see a single Myanma source. I suspect these two issues are related. I understand Myanmar does not have a great media compared to the US and China, but not a single source? Even a government press release? How did the Chinese and English language sources get the information that Myanmar claims the rifle is indigenous?
Overall: * The words "despite" both in hook 1 and in the article seems misplaced. Was made in Myanmar despite claims of being made in Myanmar? Despite claims it was indigenous it was made without license? I think what you're trying to say is something like "is an unlicensed clone despite claims of being made indigenously", which is what Military Today says.
For hook 2, I worry about a Vietnamese source citing Chinese media about a Myanma rifle (for an English language article!). I don't see an article about kienthuc.net.vn, but looking at the site, it seems to have Very Intrusive ads, which at least in the US is usually a sign of low quality. Is it really a high quality source? Any chance we can find the actual Chinese media source they're talking about?
Then there are other issues; you don't technically have to fix all of these, but addressing some might be good.
Lowercase "bullpup" in lede
"The MA designation on the weapon means Myanmar Army"
History: Can you explain that the EMER-K1 was also a QBZ-97 clone? You sort of hint at this but don't say it outright.
" they were reported to be suitable for the Tatmadaw in jungle operations and for use by an average Myanma soldier." Er - what is the difference between the Tatmadaw and an average Myanma soldier? Aren't the Tatmadaw the majority of Myanma armed forces?
@GRuban:: I did most of the editing based on your suggestions. I removed the "despite" part from the article and switched it to another word. And yeah, I'm trying to use something like that based on the MT article. For any Myanma-based article, I could only find those written/uploaded on reddit, facebook or Youtube, either by the pro-Tatamadaw/PDF crowd, which aren't a good source. In addition, the Myanmar Directorate of Defence Industries doesn't put up a website (likely) as part of an effort to mask their production/related info. Some of the info done is based on research done by those who use open source information. While the DDI debuted with new brochures and all in Thailand in 2019, they didn't show brochures for the MA-1 Mk III.
For Chinese articles, I'll try and see if there's anything worthwhile to add. It's the only area that's worth going on. It wouldn't surprise me if it's mostly because the Tatmadaw went behind China's back to clone the QBZ-97 without at least notifying Beijing. It's also likely the only place to go to. Ominae (talk) 02:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [2]
Interesting: - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.
QPQ: - Still needed. Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SounderBruce: PacificWrecks seems pretty popular and reliable, but in case, I found this website, which seems like a copy of a book? And the other statement about the CDN piece, yes, It seems like that, but they would not change the facts, since they are one of the most reliable sources in Cebu City. And the 3rd and last statement, yes, It feels like that, but it was pretty old, so im not sure about the last one. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Climber standing at the distinctive 'Cobra' silhouette groove at the start of the Cobra Crack
... that when Didier Berthod failed to make the first free ascent of Cobra Crack(pictured) in 2005, he quit climbing and became a Franciscan monk, but returned in 2024 to make the 20th ascent?
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aszx5000 A few things need to be rephrased per Earwig. Even little parts like "the first free ascent" and "one of the hardest crack climbs in the world" can, and should, be rephrased. Those are just two examples. SL93 (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Bello said at a news conference that two of the embassy personnel, whom he identified as officers of the Philippine Overseas Labor Office in the Jordanian capital Amman and in Kuwait, were involved in running sex rings in those two places that send Filipinas to service wealthy clients." – Philippine Daily Inquirer
The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor(talk)23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled and reopened per query at WT:DYK, this is a fairly unambiguous violation of WP:DYKBLP, "Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided". Not quite sure why this was approved and promoted. A new hook will be needed, and more generally I wonder if the article itself is compliant with WP:BLPCRIME. The embassy official isn't named, but as a non-public figure we shouldn't have accusations if a conviction wasn't secured. The article doesn't seem to say what the conclusion of this saga was, it's sort of left hanging currently. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: At WT:DYK, I suggested "that although diplomatic relations between the Philippines and Jordan were established in 1976, the Philippines would not open an embassy there until 1980?", which RoySmith was "fine with running", however you said you didn't think it was "that unusual". What hook would you suggest?--Launchballer12:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be OK with that one. Yeah it's perhaps not the most unusual thing, but this is an embassy - it's hardly going to have anything of earth-shattering about it, other than the BLPCRIME issue already mentioned and which I don't regard as suitable. I'd replace would not open... with did not open... myself, but otherwise fine with LB's suggestion. — Amakuru (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I agree that it's not a particularly exciting hook, but at least it's not categorically unsuitable as the first one was :-) RoySmith(talk)13:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing else I can see in the article that stands out other than maybe it also being in charge of Filipinos in Palestinian territories, or maybe the showing of Filipino films. Maybe the article just isn't a good fit for DYK after all, although given how my comment appears to go against consensus there's not much I can do. I do think that this "we can use relatively uninteresting hooks if there are no other options" thing needs to at best be used sparingly. A bad hook is sometimes worse than not running the article at all, and we have to be more willing to reject nominations that are just bad fits. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't read Filipino, but the one used for its films has the phrase "Women's Film Week" in its title. Jordan is not a country known for gender equality. What's in that source?--Launchballer14:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, everyone. I'm a bit perplexed here as I don't understand how the article as it was originally written violates WP:BLPCRIME, especially given that first, the article isn't about a specific living person (the normal scope of BLP-related policy), and second, the incident in question caused quite a response in the Philippine media and by politicians in the Philippines. Given that worse things have happened, such as a similar incident at the Philippine Embassy in Damascus (which, by the way, made it to DYK with a hook pointing out that incident), I don't understand how this is suddenly seen as being non-compliant when the other one was. I am all for finding alternative hooks where they can be found, but excising the information from the article given that it is relevant to the history of the mission itself boggles me.
I should also note that while not included in the original version of the paragraph "excised" by RoySmith, the diplomat himself has been named in the press – as seen here in an article in the Pilipino Star Ngayon (in Tagalog/Filipino) – and more information about the conclusion of the probe can be included in the article as opposed to removing it entirely. --Sky Harbor(talk)17:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The gist of WP:SUSPECT is editors must seriously consider not including material ... that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.RoySmith(talk)20:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having done some additional digging, RoySmith, the diplomat in question was suspended, and was also not given a new foreign assignment. Given this new information I'll proceed with restoring the information you removed from the article, adding the new information found here, and hopefully this is sufficient to proceed with the DYK for this article. --Sky Harbor(talk)20:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps...10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All right, fair enough. But the hook can't be phrased in wikivoice, so we'll need an ALT that provides some attribution. Let me know when the other changes have been made :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Theleekycauldron: - I've added a couple of new citations and trimmed the NCA ones now - I don't think they support anything contentious, just numbers of artworks. I've also toned down the "world's first"-ness. In terms of an ALT2, how about:
@Lajmmoore: I've removed some of the references, so the article looks fine now – i didn't catch earlier that the quote is from the director of the museum, and now I feel uncomfortable approving it. if it were from an independent source, i might've gone ahead, but i'm a bit concerned about puffery now. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4 ... that the founding of Yerevan Children's Art Gallery led to the development of a national aesthetics centre? Garoian, Charles R. (1994). "Teaching Art as a Matter of Cultural Survival: Aesthetic Education in the Republic of Armenia". Journal of Aesthetic Education. 28 (2): 83–94. doi:10.2307/3333273.
Overall: The article appeared in the news before, and the hook does not seem interesting because these types of killings are common. Considering the reply of the nominator. I feel life ALT2 is more interesting. TheNuggeteer (talk) 00:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: Thank you for the review. Per WP:DYKNEW, I’ve mentioned in the comment that the subject is listed only in RD section of the ITN, not bold link.
Although this type of killing may be common elsewhere, it is a rare case in the highly religious country that a prominent religious figure was shot dead by the ruling junta’s soldiers. Plus, it is very few that the junta apologized publicly; he would never show his weakness in public.
Note: although TheNuggeteer's comment about ALT2 was made after the ALTs were proposed, the timestamp wasn't updated, so it isn't clear what order things were posted. TheNuggeteer, if you are formally approving ALT2—that is, you've fully checked it and think it's the one that should be promoted—please be more specific below and include a new icon (tick) to supersede the "review again" icon just above my post. Thank you. I have struck the original hook because you said it doesn't seem interesting. As the ITN appearance was in the "Recent deaths" section, the nomination is not disqualified per DYK rules. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 seems misleading—there was no actual "confrontation" in the article, merely a disagreement over what response was suitable. I also don't find ALT1 that interesting—it's pretty clunky. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?
Source: * "'Joni' is on it. Well, they leaked it, so I wasn't gonna put it on there. I guess I should still… but they leaked it already." (Variety); "'So we'll make this really simple. Y'all leaked 3 songs from the deluxe. Atp y'all can keep the throw aways and leaks,' she tweeted, as reported by Variety. 'I'll be starting LANA from scratch do not ask me about it again.'" (Complex)
Reviewed:
Comment: Clarifying that it was scrapped from the third album; latest updates from SZA suggest "Joni" might be on the second album's deluxe. Open to any suggestions.
Moved to mainspace by PSA (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.
Page is long enough, new enough, hook is cited, and the hook is interesting. This all seems good, except I don't see a QPQ done. A review of another DYK is still needed! Di (they-them) (talk) 04:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
@GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
@Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. Proposing:
ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
@Z1720:@Kimikel: Apologies, I wrote a reply, probably forgot to publish it, and forgot about this till now. I think there needs to be better sourcing for the alt, like, a source that more directly backs up the hook. I want a second opinion anyway, but that's just my two cents. Sorry again :D. GoldRomean (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Can't view the source. I do have an issue with the wording in the hook. Article says he founded Wa Yan with 3,000 pesos, sold it, and then founded Ling Nam (no peso number given). This needs reconciling with the hook fact. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Since opening this nomination, I have moved the page from Rozelle–Darling Harbour railway line to Rozelle–Darling Harbour Goods Line. The former title reflected general – but not mandatory – convention on articles for Australian railway lines, while the latter reflects the line's common name. As such, this nomination links to what is now a redirect, while the hook itself links to what is now the article's primary title. The article remains the same; it has simply been moved on relatively minor technical grounds.Will Thorpe (talk) 07:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Willthorpe (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Launchballer The subject of the nomination is the main page, not the redirect. The title of the article (Rozelle-Darling Harbour railway line) reflects Wikipedia convention on the naming of rail lines in Australia, while the hook and article body (Rozelle-Darling Harbour Goods Line) reflects its common name. Happy to amend if necessary. Cheers, Will Thorpe (talk) 01:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was also thinking about it being converted to a light rail line, but that has also occured in Manchester so i don't consider that interesting. In fact, many UK light rail/tram systems actually used part of a former railway line. I also couldn't find anything else in the article that I consider interesting. I have interests in railway related stuff. JuniperChill (talk) 09:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So do I. Biased as I am, I think it's alright – 'largest in NSW' – it's certainly in a niche-ish area, but then so are most other DYKs more or less. Will Thorpe (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I understand? Intrigue means curiosity. I don't think "Largest in NSW" is going to make people curious enough to click through to the article. We run plenty of niche DYKs, some of which are intriguing to people outside of the niche and some of which aren't. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since an alternative hook hasn't been provided, I think that should be considered. I couldn't really say anything about being the largest in place hooks. Many should know Sydney is NSW's largest city. Everyone should know China/India is the largest country by population, etc. I am not sure if I can help but since its a former goods line, a hook like that may work. JuniperChill (talk) 08:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Windy Zhan(pictured) is a member of the Hong Kong Cantopop girl group After Class who has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
Source: "詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "After Class...成員...詹天文(Windy)...，她在5歲時已隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
"與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "5歲開始隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習聲樂"
"《聲夢》詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄成顧嘉煇王力宏師妹 5歲跟名師學聲樂屢獲獎". Headline Daily (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "TVB歌唱節目《聲夢傳奇》首季參賽者詹天文（Windy）雖然沒有得到三甲名次，但憑出色歌藝被選中加入女子組合After Class...，5歲已跟專業女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
Reviewed:
Created by Will629 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Hello, Will629. The nomination is timely and the article is long enough with no copyvios detected. Several entries in the Discography table, as well as the Awards and nominations table, appear unsourced, though. These would require references. I think it can use some tweaking for catchiness; how about this?--NØ19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan(pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--Will629 (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Windy Zhan(pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was highly praised by Taiwanese netizens for her performance in singing the Queen of the Night aria in June 2023?
And the corresponding lines are (although in Chinese):
"詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年，她在學校舉辦的社際音樂比賽演唱了一段莫札特《魔笛》中「夜后」其中一段，影片在台灣hit爆，更被形容為「聲樂界的明日之星」"
"與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年參加學校舉辦的音樂比賽，演唱了莫札特《魔笛》中「夜后」其中一段，片段在台灣爆紅，被譽為「聲樂界的明日之星」。"
@KunalAggarwal95: I'm not sure it does. The first source is a track listing, the next three are listicles, the next one is an interview, the next three are album reviews, the next two are awards, and only the last one could arguably count as significant coverage of substantial impact. That means you only have one source that meets the requirements spelled out in WP:GNG – you'd need one or two more to meet notability requirements. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm probably the wrong person to ask about this. As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of our music articles don't meet WP:N, but I recognize I'm not going to convince people of that, so I just grit my teeth and move on. RoySmith(talk)15:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: If you do not think this meets the notability requirements, can you open an AfD so we can get consensus on this nomination? If you think it meets the requirements, can you remove the banner and indicate below? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 23:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm a few days tardy with the nom because I forgot to get it done before going out of town for the weekend, but it got to size in the time period.
Overall: Can you identify the source(s) for the hook and cite the relevant excerpt(s). Very likely I missed it among the multiple cites for that sentence. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will look at this today. I didn't write that part of the article and I didn't check it before my nom. I may have to rewrite and provide a new hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updating you here Bagumba, I should have taken more time to verify this myself before nominating, but I was traveling over July 4. Not an excuse. His website says as collectors ourselves who have sold over $2B in collectibles, which of course won't verify our hook. I can't otherwise find "$2 billion". I will rewrite the article this weekend, culling low quality sources and adding a couple of better ones I've found, and propose a solid hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Muboshgu: The lead conflicts, saying that it's the company with $1.3B: ... his company, Goldin Auctions, which has sold $1.3 billion in memorabilia related to sports, history, and pop culture. The body is also ambiguous with "Goldin" (i.e. Ken Goldin or Goldin Auctions?) whether it's him or the company w/ $1.3B: In 2012, Goldin established Goldin Auctions.[ Goldin has auctioned more than $1.3 billion worth of collectibles, including sports memorabilia and historical artifacts.—Bagumba (talk) 22:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Source 1 doesn't seem to mention the facts in the hook, and the second source seems somewhat partisan and I'm somewhat suspicious of the quality of an article starting with "Did You Know". Does the academic source mentioned in the same paragraph in this article ([9]) mention it in any way? That would be much better. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 06:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Flemmish Nietzsche: Sadly, the academic source doesn't back the claim up but it does back up the claim that an area in the Vatican was once a chariot racing track. Though I'm not sure what's Wikipedia's and the DYK's policy on "possibly statements" (i.e. ...that sport in Vatican City possibly started in the 1st century, when a chariot racing track was built in what was then ancient Rome?" I suggest using ALT1 instead if that's the case. Though I can make another hook if it isn't interesting enough. Arconning (talk) 06:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Arconning I checked that journal I suggested, fand you're right about it not being definite that the chariot track ever actually existed there. ALT1 is not the most interesting, but I could accept it if there's nothing else better you can find. How about "... that sport in Vatican City began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?" This might not be the "start" of sport in the area that is now the Vatican, but it seems to be the first major event when that area was under the control of an independent Papal State, so I think it would pass. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 07:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Flemmish Nietzsche For the hook that you suggested, I'm all for it but with some minor tweaks. Since we can't really determine when sport in Vatican City really started, I think we should put something like "governed by the nation", "started by the nation", or something shorter. (i.e. ... that sport in Vatican City started by the nation began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?"). Arconning (talk) 07:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Arconning "started by the nation" seems somewhat iffy, as it could be confused with "nation" meaning a group of people sharing a common identity rather than a sovereign state; maybe "state-sponsored" or "officially" would be better? (... that state-sponsored sport in Vatican City began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?") Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 07:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4: ... that sport in Vatican City has been seen as a way to express Catholic spirituality and principles?
ALT5: ... that although sport in Vatican City has been seen as a way to express Catholic spirituality and principles, the church opposed the participation of women?
Source: Allen Eyles (2003), Brighton and Hove Cinemas, p.71. "At midnight on Thursday 8 January 1948, the world premiere of Brighton Rock took place at the Savoy (no other cinema was in the running, as it was made by ABC's associated production company)." (First sentence from a full paragraph about the premiere. The Savoy was the name of the cinema at the time, as noted in the article.)
...No copyvio issues, neutral. Hook is followed by a citation to a reference i cannot see, though a copy of the text is provided above. Reads well and hook and article are interesting. Thank you for your work. Whispyhistory (talk) 10:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not aware of any other examples of this happening, and I would think it is quite abnormal for a world premiere to take place in a smallish provincial town; but I'm happy to have alternative hooks suggested. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!)11:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that prior to being appointed as mayor of Guangzhou, Sun Zhiyang worked as a senior engineer and deputy general manager of the Chinese state-owned automobile manufacturer FAW Group?
Article is long enough and new enough. Article is presentable, sourced, and free from copyvio. Hooks are interesting enough and sourced using Chinese sources (hence the good faith). Some sources are state-sponsored (i.e. Xinhua) but acceptable. QPQ done. Thank you for your nomination Toadboy123! Kimikel (talk) 01:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Belgian hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz(pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and everything is cited in the article and verified. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The nominator still has less than five nominations so no QPQ is required. ALT1 is okay (cited inline, AGF due to being paywalled for me), but I'd like to see some additional proposals as well. In addition, while not necessarily a DYK issue, I do note that the article is US-centric and does not mention if similar policies exist outside the US, so that may need to be addressed if sources about the practice outside of America exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't been able to find any information about such policies that exist outside the US. I added a short subheading that points out there is little reporting and any mention of curfews in reference to a mall is due to a curfew that affects a whole population and isn't enacted by the mall itself. Reconrabbit15:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Consider also ALT2 ... that mall curfews in the United States have been used since 1996 with the intent of curbing the "unruly" behavior of teenagers?
ALT1: ... that following the 1972 FA Cup final at Wembley Stadium, Norman Hunter went to the Royal Box twice: once to receive his own medal, and again to help an injured teammate receive his? Source: [3]
ALT2: ... that a schoolteacher tried to make left-footed footballer Norman Hunter play right-footed? Source: [4]
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by PearlyGigs (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Was a draft until today so new enough and, as I now realise, also long enough. I can't see any problems in the article around copyvio, POV or OR. Sourcing looks good overall and the hook citations appear to be sound and reliable. The hook is certainly interesting because it caught my eye immediately when I was checking my own nomination. QPQ has been done. I think this is fine and it should be promoted. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose this nomination: An article on this subject was deleted 7 months ago because of weak sourcing. There haven't been any new sources added other than a paper by the two proponents of this theory and lots of other really weak sources. Wikipedia's job isn't to promote anti-vaxx conspiracy theories or other conspiracy theories, of which in my and other people's opinions, this is one. The only people claiming that ANYONE adheres to these multiple philosophies is Torres and Gebru. ---Avatar317(talk)00:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Original admin who closed AfD undeleted it after i proposed appropriate changes. the AfD never came to consensus of conspiracy theory (just u), and deleted it due to lack of WP:N. if u want to delete this again, use AfD again or bug the original admin.Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was aware when I did the DYK review that the article is about ideologies, but I don't consider the article to be promoting those ideologies because it is neutral. The subject, in my opinion, is notable. I can't say I'm knowledgeable about TESCREAL but the article does appear to be adequately sourced. I've been reading it again and I still think the hook should be promoted. But, as I say, I am not an SME in this area so I will happily step aside if an SME is needed. Incidentally, the lead is the primary location of the hook material and its two sources. Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to second the concerns brought up above: this article was merged in November for poor sourcing and the fact that it seemed to lean very heavily into the op-ed angle of the source it did use. To be clear, I certainly have a great personal distaste for the majority of people who run the majority of software companies, and ethical objections to a good portion of the United States' GDP (I am a diehard Linux user with all of the political implications that entails). However, the implication that "global tech elites" are engaged in a deliberate scheme to carry out eugenics (as one of the sources said from the previous version of this article), based on a collection of op-eds and blog posts where people who hate them say this a bunch of times, seems to raise some rather significant BLP issues. It is somewhat concerning to vaguely imply this in wikivoice as though it's settled fact, and then the citations are to a journal of biosemiotics. jp×g🗯️02:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posting on here same stuff as in the Talk Page section:
A) This article was merged for lack of WP:N. If you consider it still an issue, use WP:AfD or bug the original admin who deleted, merged, than undeleted this. It isn't a valid argument to suggest that it's settled that it deserves to remerged if we've added a ton of sourcing and improved on it. Settle it by starting the process to delete it if you want.
B) Are there reliable sources indicating that TESCREAL is a significantly derogatory epithet similar to Libtard/Chud? Marc Andreessen self-describes as TESCREAList. Many of these folks regularly ascribe to multiple of these philosophies as transhumanists, ethical altruists, long-termists, etc. Sourcing here does not necessarily imply that every TESCREAList is also a eugenicist, nor do we use WP:SYNTH to suggest that these folks are all eugenicists. There is no mention of eugenicist claims in the third section. Also, we have Big Tech as a wikipedia article along with criticism, which is also a similar "perjorative" against tech companies, and other significant "perjoratives" with negative connotations such as Democrat in Name Only and Cuckservative. These all explain what opinion writers and commentators mean, and why. This article is far more tame than many of those.
C) That more than a dozen opinions use a term like this should be notable enough. I suspect that any sort of article about philosophies will require opinionated sources or commentaries. Effective altruism includes sourcing from Centre for Effective Altruism and by extension the Effective Altruism Forum, study centers specifically invested in effective altruism and founded by leaders, as well as many opinions.
D) WP:OPINION applies here, especially for philosphical arguments. I looked for criticisms of TESCREAL. If more are published, we can include them. These sources are WP:SECONDARY, they contain analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. Secondary sources are not necessarily independent sources.
E) If you want to settle WP:BLP, please post in the section on WP:BLPN. We've already started and done this argument. There are multiple sources on WP:PUBLICFIGUREs here alleging that many of these folks use TESCREAL to justify their tech projects, and we make sure to use the word "allege" correctly, as per WP:OPINION, along with the correct sourcing
Conclusion:) TESCREAL is unliked by some portion of folks on here for some reason. I'm happy to listen to arguments, but I want an argument about why we are suddenly so sensitive about criticism of Elon Musk/etc. for using human extinction for every time someone criticizes his behavior or cars or products. If you are just an elon musk/nick bostrum/etc. fan, than say it and stop throwing mud on an article that contains a criticism of philosophies that occurs often enough that we can gather 20+ sources, including 10 using the term in severe detail to directly dissect the argument that yelling extinction every 15 minutes doesn't mean you've justified your next mega project. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GorillaWarfare, a neutrality tag remains on this article. If this is, as it seems, a continually-controversial topic, I am not inclined to promote, having no desire to get shouted at at WP:ERRORS. Do you think the issues brought up by a number of editors can be resolved? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "It’s the Portillo moment of 2024. Liz Truss sensationally lost her safe South West Norfolk seat this morning, less than two years after serving as prime minister." [12]
I will not be reviewing this nomination, but isn't covering songs a really common thing for a band to do, especially songs from famous bands? Bremps...12:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adequate sourcing: - Opening paragraph contains multiple statements which are uncited anywhere in the article, e.g. the list of band members or the identity of their producer.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: I reviewed all proposed hooks and only Alt2 would be acceptable at present. Alt1 would fail as the number of songs does not appear with a citation in the article, and I would in any case be worried they may release more songs before this is hook appears on the main page. The original hook fails as not all of these bands are mentioned as having been covered by the Linda Lindas.
Earwig did highlight some similarities and while we should be careful of this, in this case they appear to be incidental, e.g. they consist of common words or phrases which could not be easily avoided without the result reading oddly. I personally would not fail a review for this in this case, but it may be worth addressing in case the promoter feels differently.
I assume good faith on the non-English source provided for Alt2.
... that Kavita Seth became so popular with the 2009 Hindi-language song "Iktara" that audiences wanted her to sing the song whenever she went for live concerts?
... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
@Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:
I was going to say that PS should come out together, although checking WP:RSN, there isn't really a consensus, and this isn't really contentious. I'd be inclined to let it slide but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it. Full review needed.--Launchballer09:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could practically cut the source without having to remove much of anything from the article (terminology of "party fingers" aside), so I don't think it's something to be especially concerned about. Sourcing the DYK to the LA Times instead does seem prudent, but I don't think it's a dealbreaker either way. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take this; it's my first time doing a DYK review, so if I mess anything up I do apologize. The article is new enough, long enough, has no apparent copyvio or neutrality issues, and the citations all seem fine barring the Popsugar situation that as stated isn't overly concerning. QPQ isn't necessary. I think the hook needs work though. Whilst the core of the fact is clearly established by the sources and obviously interesting, the wording isn't sufficiently clear. I understand the usage of "queer" for inclusiveness, but as it currently reads absolutely no association with sapphism or women whatsoever is implied. Any reader coming across this would be left to think gay men, asexuals, or straight transgender individuals cut their nails short as lesbian women. Given the entire point of the topic is its connection to lesbian and sapphic culture, that is a fundamental issue.
Beyond this, I have some comments about the article itself. I'm not sure if I'm perhaps stepping beyond what is expected of a DYK review here, but at worst they can't hurt:
The article is named "Queer manicure", but the opening sentence treats "Lesbian manicure" as the primary name and puts the former term in the parentheses. I again understand why there's a flux between terms (anecdotally, I always knew them as just "lesbian nails") and the sources seem to go back and forth on what to call them, but it seems sensible the body and title agree on which one to lead with.
The term "lez nails" is only used in the title of a single source, so I'm not sure if that's really supported by the citations as a noteworthy term for them rather than just an attempt at a catchy article header.
DYK articles obviously don't have to be comprehensive, but I do think given how much the six sources talk about the issue of pigeonholing lesbians into having short nails and how that conflicted with some people's identities and the importance of freedom for people to express themselves however they want, it's a bit weird the article only gives the briefest mention of it being a stereotype. If you do more work on the article in the future I'd love to see expansion on this talking point.
I'd remove the end of the introductory paragraph, the clause after the first in-line citation. It feels like it drifts offtopic from the subject of the article, and drag subculture is not mentioned at all in the cited source.
The first paragraph of "History and Culture" is laid out oddly. It makes it look like the 95% statistic comes from source three, but it's actually from source one. That in-line citation should be moved to after this information. Also, the clause about being part of "gaydar" is much more related to the second sentence and would probably fit better moved there.
Short nails have been widely considered as a "standard" among queer women opens the second paragraph but is essentially reworded repetition of what paragraph one just told us and can be removed entirely. The rest of the first sentence would make more sense added to the first paragraph, united as talking about the background of short nails in lesbian culture with paragraph two talking about the rise of the lesbian manicure as an evolution of this and the third paragraph discussing the cultural response to it. Also, source six would be better than source three for the The L Word statement.
I'm not convinced "party fingers" is terminology of sufficient note to be included here. It's mentioned a single time in one source (in a direct quote, no less), and no search combination of "party fingers" with relevant terms like manicure, penetration, lesbian, or queer seems to bring up anything remotely relevant to the subject (concerningly, that last one brought up this very article). The second use in the article, "party fingers" style of manicure, makes up an association between the "party fingers" terminology and the manicure itself never invoked in the cited source (which only ever treated it as a term for the fingers).
Based on my reading of the article (and granted, I know nothing about Euphoria), I'm not sure the statement about Natalie Minerva as correct. The article reads as if she did a lesbian manicure for the show Euphoria, but the source seems to say that she was the nail artist for Euphoria and, separately, gave Barbie Ferreira a lesbian manicure which was posted to Instagram.
Most of these are pretty small nitpicks, and I don't think I'd hold the nomination back over all of them, but it would be nice to see them addressed. Either way though, it's very nice to see an article on this classic piece of sapphic culture created and I'd love to see this on the front page once the hook and article issues can be ironed out. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that petite soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 foot 11 3/4 inches tall; a height which one reviewer described as an asset for appearing youthful on stage?
For the review calling her short stature an asset for appearing youthful: Alice Eversman (August 12, 1942). "Rigoletto Brings Singers to Water Gate". Washington Evening Star. p. 45.
ALT2: ... that David Gillespie was the chief surveyor to Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR30147229.
Reviewed:
Created by Aneirinn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
: Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops I used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dr. David B. Gillespie (February 24, 1815–January 2, 1905), who attended the Medical College of South Carolina, [Source:Catalogue of the Students Attending Lectures in the Medical College of the State of South Carolina, Session 1837–'38. Charleston: James S. Burges, 85 East-Bay. 1838. p. 6 – via Medical University of South Carolina, Waring Historical Library.] was a son of Major David B. Gillespie. [Source:"Descendants of David Gillespie"(PDF). NCGenWeb.] I think it is likely that the writer of the twice-published obituary wrote 'Major' David B. Gillespie for a reason, and that Dr. David B Gillespie is named after his father, which would have them both with a middle names that start with the letter 'B'. This point of contention is not really an issue; however, I find it hard to believe that people would find the initial proposal or ALT1 dull or uninteresting. It is significant and interesting that, according to Kemp P. Battle, David B. Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States. This would also make David B. Gillespie the first person in the United States to receive a document in the form of a diploma from a public university. If more alternative hooks are necessary, I'm willing to provide additional options. Aneirinn (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Drive-by nom. Some editors are allergic to "first" hooks, but as there is only a finite number of MPs and all of their ages are in the public domain I think we're safe.
Comment only. It's interesting that you say that all of their ages are in the public domain. I spent a few hours yesterday clearing Results of the 2024 United Kingdom general election by constituency of dozens of links to disambiguation pages. Very, very few of the new MP bios included a year of birth. I don't doubt that The Guardian has got its facts straight, but I do doubt that your statement holds true. If it was true, those bios would presumably have included birth years. Schwede6605:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: The Guardian's just published an article saying that two further MPs were 24 at the time of election, and sniffing around some less than reputable sources (the @Tomorrow'sMPs Twitter account, which appears to be operated by Michael Crick) says that both Josh Dean (politician) and Euan Stainbank were born in 2000. It would appear that Carling's constituency declared first, but I'll do a deep dive into live results when I'm finished with Dead Pony. I do note that the Guardian has not retracted the article cited on this page.--Launchballer15:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Economist, Stainbank's Falkirk declared at 3:47, Dean's Hertford and Stortford declared at 4:03, and Carling's North West Cambridgeshire declared at 5:59. However, I did some further digging, and it turns out I've got the start of the 21st century wrong as there is no year zero in the Anno Domini system. So I am right, but not for the reason I expected.--Launchballer18:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably because there were no hooks on the page for me to review and because I was explicitly invited to propose one - the only valid hook on that page is ALT2, which is my hook. Reviewers often propose new hooks and call for new reviewers, I fail to see the difference.--Launchballer16:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to preempt a possible 'it's been a week without a QPQ' comment, my view remains that the provided QPQ is valid, on the grounds that the only hook on the page was mine, and I consider this no different to a reviewer saying 'this hook would be better, someone else needs to approve it'. I don't plan on doing a second. An actual reviewer can adjudicate on it.--Launchballer11:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Coming up with a good hook is as much work as reviewing a hook. Hence, this is a valid QPQ in my books (at least in spirit, and if others see it differently, then I suggest IAR). Schwede6604:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the QPQ provided above should be fine. Yes a new opinion was requested, but that was only with regards to signing off a hook. Launchballer still did the actual article checks, which are ultimately what are most important to filling the QPQ requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Motibai Kapadia is credited as the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India?
Source: "Motibai was the first native woman doctor to be trained on parallel lines to native men doctors" [13]..."The first indigenous woman physician to get training alongside male physicians was Moti Bai"[14]
ALT1: ... that the Indian female physician Motibai Kapadia was in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital in Ahmedabad for 36 years from 1889? Source: "after returning from Britain, Kapadia was appointed in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital for women, and remained there for 36 years."[15].
... that following her death in 2019, Huang Wenxiu was elevated into a national model by the Chinese Communist Party in recognition of her work as a party secretary of a village in rural China?
Source: Taraborrelli, J. Randy (2021). Grace & steel: Dorothy, Barbara, Laura, and the women of the Bush dynasty (First ed.). New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN978-1-250-24871-8., Robert Coe, Puritan
The full review is to follow, but right now I have a few concerns about the nomination. The first is that, despite being a newly-promoted GA, the lede seems rather short and seems to lack mentions of some of the other parts of the article; I'd suggest beefing it up a little. The second is that the hook is admittedly rather pedestrian as it's not uncommon for religious structures to replace pre-existing ones. The article is a GA and is thus full of suitable material so I'd suggest proposing additional hooks in the meantime. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! The article was promoted to GA status on time and it meets all of the regular DYK+GA requirements. I did not find any close paraphrasing. Since you have less than five DYK nominations a QPQ is not required. ALT1 might need some slight revisions: for example, "prerogative status" might be too specialist so an alternative, easier-to-understand phrasing could used here. The hook also doesn't make it clear it's in Portugal so that might need to be addressed to. The hook's source is in Portuguese so AGF, but a Google Translate check confirms the information. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea, caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
Helping out with a ref for both hooks [16] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Durrës Expedition in 1376 saw Louis of Évreux successfully recapture Durrës from Karl Thopia, only for Thopia to reclaim the city in 1383?
Source: J. M. Hussey. The Cambridge medieval history. Volume IV. Part I, The Byzantine empire. Byzantium and its neighbours. University Press. p. 419. ISBN 978-0-5210-4535-3. "...The Navarrese Company succeeded in occupying Durazzo, apparently in the midsummer of 1376..."
John V. A. Fine (jr.), John Van Antwerp Fine. The Late Medieval Balkans A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest. University of Michigan Press. p. 384. ISBN 978-0-4720-8260-5. "...The Angevins retained Durazzo for a time, for in 1379 Joanna's new husband, Robert of Artois, is found issuing to Dubrovnik a charter pertaining to Durazzo. Karlo Thopia, who held the territory both north and south of the city, soon, probably in 1383, regained possession of Durazzo..."
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Improved to Good Article status by Arberian2444 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that Leonhard Kaiser, a student of Martin Luther, was burned at the stake on this day in 1527 after being declared guilty of heresy?
Source: "...Kaiser... was arrested in March 1527, imprisoned, and finally interrogated. Charges against him included teaching justification through faith alone, contempt for good works, and heresy on several other issues, such as the Mass and its canon, confession and satisfaction, the other sacraments, freedom of the will, purgatory, invocation of the saints, and the power of the papacy. He was burned for his Lutheran beliefs on 16 August 1527. Entreaties on his behalf from Elector John of Saxony (r. 1525–1532) and Margrave Casimir of Brandenburg availed not at all. Luther wrote him a letter of consolation during his imprisonment. His death occasioned a propaganda exchange. Nine editions of an anonymous description of his execution elicited defenses of their respective positions from his instructor, Martin Luther" The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Reformation
Article new enough (moved to mainspace July 10), long enough (3300 B). Hook is interesting if run on August 16. However, I'm seeing the article has a statement with a citation needed tag, which you'll need to address before I approve.— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)01:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Königsberg, Wojciech (2023). "Akcja w Café Adria"(PDF). Biblioteka Polska Zbrojna Historia. 1.: Jan Kryst "Alan," a soldier in the Home Army, killed several Germans on May 22, 1943, in a retaliatory action at Warsaw's Café Adria. [...] Following the information provided by "Szyna," a meeting took place between the commander of Kedyw and his deputy and Kryst. The latter, explaining his fatal illness, expressed his readiness to carry out the most fatal mission against the representatives of the occupying forces. A different version on the motivation of "Alan" was indicated by his brother Zenon. He claimed that the illness did not threaten Jan's life, and explained his decision by his intention to take revenge on the Germans, which he had been carrying out since the outbreak of the war. It is possible that the exaggeration of the condition may have been a ploy to obtain permission to carry out a risky mission. [...] He received permission from the command to liquidate Gestapo men at the notorious Café Adria premises, and then, under the protection of two conspirators, was to make a breakaway from the scene of the action. [...] When another performance began on the dance floor, he drew his pistol and opened fire on the people sitting in front of him.
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Created by Marcelus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: This ballerina and later master tutor of the Bolshoi Ballet in a career spanning 70 years had no article yet, and I believe should be known (beyond the appearance in Recent deaths). I also believe that the image would transfer much better than any words what she stood for, or soared for. If you feel the same please donate a hook. I am tired of having mine rejected. I'll be out for the day, but will review later. You can pick from the lead:
Marina Viktorovna Kondratyeva (Russian: Марина Викторовна Кондратьева, pronounced[mɐˈrʲinəˈvʲiktərəvnəkɐnˈdratʲjɪvə]; 1 February 1934 – 8 July 2024) was a Russian ballerina at the Bolshoi Ballet. Described as "weightless, airy, poetic and spiritual", she is known for roles such as Juliet in Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet and as Adam's Giselle. She toured with the troupe to London and the Metropolitan Opera. She became a master tutor at the Bolshoi, passing the troupe's tradition for decades.
5x expanded by Thriley (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2110 past nominations.
Note 1: I have added ALTs 1–4. Note 2. If the qpq is delayed, please contact me, because I can donate a qpq. (I am not reviewing this).. Storye book (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The full review is to follow, but taking a look at the article and the sources, there are multiple statements that are not supported by the sources. These include:
Being recommended by Vaganova to the Moscow Choreographic School's class (Vaganova's name appears nowhere in the linked Bolshoi Theatre profile).
Being trained by Marina Semionova, and being trained by her exclusively (Semionova is not mentioned either in the Bolshoi page or the Die Welt source).
Developing the performance traditions of Galina Ulanova (neither Ulanova nor the developing of the traditions are in the source).
This is still an incomplete list as I haven't checked every statement yet, but the issues need to be resolved before the article can be passed. In addition, large parts of the article are cited to the Bolshoi Theatre's website. I'm personally okay with that as I think the statements they provide are uncontroversial, but other editors have a stricter reading of WP:PRIMARY and thus may object to the heavy reliance on that single website, especially when the theatre was her long-time employer. I can see the article being brought up at WT:DYK or ERRORS if the issue isn't resolved. The article was created on July 9 and was nominated on the 18th, which is two days late. However, per the guidelines and given the shortness of the delay I'm willing to allow an IAR exemption in this case.
Among the hooks, ALT4 is perhaps the best option, but it's not directly supported by either the source or the article. The hook says she served the theatre for over 70 years, but the article instead refers to the 70th anniversary of her joining, and there is no mention if she remained part of the theatre the whole time or not. The source also does not refer to her serving the theatre for 70 years, only the anniversary. If ALT4 cannot be used, ALT1 is the best backup option: it is verified in the source. The other options do not seem to meet DYKINT and are thus struck. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Bolshoi Theatre is one of few sources about her in English. Is there any fear of its pages about her being promotional? Another source is The New York Times, which has a headline: "Ballet: Bolshoi's 'Giselle' Is a Delight / Marina Kondratieva Excels in Title Role / Poise and Authority Infuse Company". GRuban, I am sure that there is secondary source coverage in Russian - during her dancing career and her tutoring career, which is very tedious for me to find, translate and put in perspective. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue isn't necessarily promotion but rather the use of primary sources themselves. See WP:PRIMARY: Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them. Basing large parts of the article on primary sources like the Bolshoi article isn't necessarily wrong or prohibited, but it can raise alarm bells especially for other editors. At the very least they're not ideal, especially when interpretations get involved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, you've been around for longest and would know: what do we do with the question marks? Me thinks the second one is superfluous and we'll just nuke it. Schwede6602:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66, definitely nuke it. (Indeed, I've done so.) The hook only needs to end with a question mark, and this won't be the first time that said question mark was part of an article name. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that artist Amy Sawyer(pictured) was the only woman to illustrate a work by H. Rider Haggard during his lifetime?
Source: Holterhoff, Kate (2023). "Romance fiction, folk tales, and poetry: Amy Sawyer and the Arts and Crafts movement". Nineteenth-century women illustrators and cartoonists. Manchester University Press. https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.3078856 p 201: "This commission is remarkable in the graphic history of Rider Haggard. Well over one thousand unique illustrations were commissioned to accompany the approximately sixty romance fictions Haggard published during his lifetime, but of these only eighteen can be attributed to a woman artist – all by Sawyer for Heart of the World."
This hook is good! I think it would be better if we pointed out how much Haggard (never heard of him!) has been illustrated. Suggest:
ALT1: ... that of over a thousand illustrations created for H. Rider Haggard's works during his lifetime, Amy Sawyer(pictured) was the only woman to contribute?
Source: Lampert, Catherine (2007). Euan Uglow: the Complete Paintings: Catalogue Raisonné. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300123494. p182 (This cites the Register of Artists' models source: https://www.modelreg.co.uk/st_Articles2.php)
ALT1: ... that Euan Uglow compared his nude painting Articulation with The Endless Column by Constantin Brâncuși? Source: Lampert, Catherine (2007). Euan Uglow: the Complete Paintings: Catalogue Raisonné. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300123494. p182
@User:Narutolovehinata5 The hook (initially under 100chs) got messed with by the page creator... who has seemingly been making a lot of dubious changes, including to the page itself. I'll really have to re-review this, even if it was fine beforehand... Iostn (talk) 19:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the demo for the My Chemical Romance song "Mama" was recorded inside a haunted mansion? Source: 'Not the Life It Seems: The True Lives of My Chemical Romance.' -- Page 154, "You can almost see the ghosts flying around the room when we recorded those songs. Especially that "Mama" song. When we played that at Paramour..." + https://www.altpress.com/the-black-parade-curse-my-chemical-romance/ -- "The Black Parade was partially written and recorded in a notoriously haunted mansion called the Paramour"
Not a review, but I have struck ALT0 as it fails WP:DYKINT (it's dependent on knowing who both Liza Minnelli and My Chemical Romance are), ALT1 would be better if it ended at 'bet' (and replaced 'on' with 'for'), and ALT3 is adorable.--Launchballer19:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maltby with her son Philip Randolph Meyer, home from flight training at Kelly Field, circa 1918.
... that physicist Margaret Eliza Maltby hid the birth of her child and then re-adopted him years later?
Source: In 2014, Autosomal DNA tests indicated that Philip Randolph Meyer was Maltby's natural son. He was born in June 1897, six months after Maltby's sudden resignation from Wellesley College. When Maltby returned to a research position in Germany in 1898, she left her son in the care of a friend who had a nursery. Upon taking up a post at Barnard College in 1901, Maltby reunited with Meyer. (Gill, Raymond (Spring–Summer 2016). "Genetics & Genealogy - Miss Maltby and Her Ward: Using DNA to Investigate a Family Mystery". American Ancestors. 17 (2): 49–52.)
ALT1: ... that in 1895 Margaret Eliza Maltby became the first woman to earn a PhD in physics in Germany? Source: Margaret Maltby earned her PhD in physics in 1895 at the University of Göttingen. [22]
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Comment: Sorry for the probable poor formatting of the source, my first time trying this!
Improved to Good Article status by Physhist (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
I can take this on. This'll be my first review as well, but I think I should be able to handle it! As such though, per WP:DYKRI, I'd like a second review (bolding just for emphasis to those scrolling by).
Clear at 100px: - With two people, Maltby (who should be the subject) is a bit hard to make out imo. May I suggest cropping the image, or using the image in the infobox instead?
QPQ: None required.
Overall: Very nice hooks! Unfortunately, I have quite a few concerns about sourcing in both the hooks and the article itself. For ALT1, I cannot access the complete source, however the excerpt provided only supports that Maltby earned her PhD in Germany, not that she was the first woman to do so. As for ALT0, the listed excerpt does not explicitly mention that she "hid the birth" of her son, nor does it say that she "re-adopted" him (I'm not sure if that can be conflated with "reunited"). Is there a different source which is more specific?
As for checks in the article itself, most of the sources are offline/paywalled, so I'm assuming good faith. Source #4 says that Maltby was the "first American woman allowed to take a degree" at the university, but it does not seem to support that she was the first woman overall to earn a Ph.D. in Germany. Source #25 should probably not be attributed to Encyclopedia.com, but rather to Women in World History: A Biographical Encyclopedia in line with the page's source (and at that, the source does not support the passage written in the article saying that Maltby received a star in her listing within the AMS). The article could also do with a slight copyedit, with some grammatical errors (quite a few missing commas and some choppy wording here and there) and citation numbers in the wrong order. Sorry that that's a lot, hopefully you're up for it! Leafy46 (talk) 16:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Crater Lake #2(pictured), on display at the Oregon State Capitol, was painted by Margaret Coe, the 8th great granddaughter of colonist Robert Coe? Source: Oregon Legislature, Robert Coe, Puritan, Olmstead, Henry King (2021). Olmsted genealogy, third-fourth supplement, 1923-28. Hassell Street Press. ISBN1013458974., "Curtis Claire Coe". Statesman Journal. October 29, 1996.
Reviewed: NA
Comment: I'm partial to Alt1. I'm a historian, so I imagine Alt0 is more interesting to a general audience.
Created by AnotherColonialHistorian (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Not a review, but are we sure that the impressionist painting by Coe is released under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license? The source is offline, so it's difficult to check. I'm not sure if the Oregon Legislature and Coe would need to agree to jointly release the work in order for the license to be valid. Bremps...19:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I used materials from United Nations documents. According to this they are in the public domain worldwide so please don't flag them as copyright infringement. Also if you can please do copyedit on the article. If you need proof of the validity of offline sources then they can be arranged.
Created by Mehedi Abedin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.
ALT2: ... that Major General Jarrett Robertson died in the 1993 crash of a Black Hawk helicopter when its fuel control value failed and the aircraft's weight became imbalanced? Source: Moag, Jeffrey (1993-06-24). "Blackhawk Crash Blamed on Failed Fuel Control Valve". Inside the Pentagon. 9 (25). Inside Washington Publishers: 1–2. Retrieved 2024-07-13 – via JSTOR.
@Bremps: I completely agree and am almost certain it is too, but even after searching I haven't actually found a source that says it's his official photo. I didn't want to technically assume it was PD though, so I just went with fair use hoping to later find proof it was government work. I don't think it'd be a good choice for a Main Page photo at this time because there's no definitive answer that it's freely licensed. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 00:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that professor Lisa M. Corrigan used prison memoirs from prominent black activists to write about how incarceration impacted the development of the black power movement?
Source: "Examining the iconic prison autobiographies of H. Rap Brown, Mumia Abu-Jamal, and Assata Shakur, the author also conducts rhetorical analyses of these extremely popular though understudied accounts of the Black Power movement to introduce the notion of the "Black Power vernacular" as a term for the prison memoirists' rhetorical innovations" - Relevant Books: Prison Power
ALT1: ... that Lisa M. Corrigan had difficulties publishing her black power movement book because white reviewers believed the movement wasn't important to the discourse of the civil rights movement? Source: "The biggest challenge I faced with Prison Power was the resistance from (white) reviewers who were not convinced that the Black Power movement was an important historical intervention into white discourses about citizenship. Reviewers characterized Black Power leaders as “foolish, “self-centered,” “nihilistic” children, thereby performing the kind of white supremacist argumentation that Prison Power exposes and attempts to undermine. My response was always the same: white critics could not understand Black Power as a movement, Black Power activists as interlocutors, or Black Power memoirs as legitimate subjects and objects of rhetorical and political invention because they didn’t see Black people as legible interpreters of white supremacy." - Prison Power: A New Book on the Role of Prisons in Black Liberation Struggles
... that in 1941 Aleister Crowley issued a manifesto of human rights which included the controversial assertion of the right to commit tyrannicide?
Source: Crowley, Aleister; et. al. (2004) [1997]. "Editor's note to p. 689 Appendix VIII". In Hymenaeus Beta (ed.). Magick: Liber ABA, Book 4, parts I-IV (2nd. rev. ed.). York Beach, Maine: S. Weiser. p. 788: "[...] but I've got them down to five sections: moral, bodily, mental, sexual freedom, and the safeguard tyrannicide [...]".
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5x expanded by Skyerise (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Yes. See [24] (p. 135), "Devenue la Haute - Côte - d'Ivoire , plus de la moitié du territoire burkinabè , où résident plus des deux tiers de sa population , est rattachée à la colonie ivoirienne ." --Soman (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The page cited also notes the years. Earwig gives 0% chance of copyright violation, which is very impressive. QPQ is confirmed. I do not feel that the hook is as compelling as could be. Is there an interesting reason why Burkina Faso did not exist between 1938 and 1947 and was rather absorbed into Upper Ivory Coast? simongraham (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, the name Burkina Faso was not in use until 1984 (thus the wording 'present-day Burkina Faso'). There was a French colony called Upper Volta, which later became the Republic of Upper Volta which later was renamed Burkina Faso. Upper Volta was, as indicated in the article, abolished in 1932 and most of its territory merged into Ivory Coast. These parts merged with Ivory Coast became the region of Upper Ivory Coast in 1938. Essentially, which is implied in the article, the French used Upper Volta/Upper Ivory Coast as a pool for recruitment of labour for their plantations in (lower) Ivory Coast. Upper Volta was reconstituted in 1947 due to the pressure of Mossi elites. --Soman (talk) 11:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sreekar Prasad during a virtual Q&A session on his YouTube channel
... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad won the National Award for Best Editing in his debut film Raakh in 1989 and was the first-ever recipient of the Special Jury Award for editing in 2009?
ALT2: ... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad holds a record for editing films in 17 different languages and has won eight National Awards from five different Presidents between 1988 and 2010?
Comment The obvious problem is that your hooks don't link the nominated article. Next problem is that the nominated article should appear in bold font. Schwede6623:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that fire behavior during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire(char pictured) was highly unpredictable? Source: Kurtz, M.V. (1941). "History of Colville National Forest History of the Colville National Forest Part II Page II-22 middle paragraph on Dollar mountain fire
Other problems: - Some grammar problems in the lead, the second paragraph of background, both paragraphs of the fire section, and the aftermath section.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Overall: The hook seems a little too long, probably better like: "... that during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire (pictured), 65 firefighters survived overnight by hiding under a ledge?" But it's okay if you don't want to apply that. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗03:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The shortened version removes that they were surrounded by wildfire flames, and thus makes the hook much more mundane. In this case the flames were bad enough in the area the men were that everyone outside that area assumed no one could survive them.--Kevmin§16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: An event taking place in a 94,000–142,000 acres (147–222 sq mi) fire zone is not the same as an event like this happening at the fire line itself, having the "surrounded by fire" portion is important context. What grammar issues are you specifically seeing? (you know you are allowed to fix minor problems in articles you review right?) If you feel they are major, then inform the talk page or me so I can address them. Grammar (unless its completely unreadable English) is not a criteria that DYK noms are reviewed on, FYI.--Kevmin§17:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that in a traditional Pontic Greek folktale, a girl with teeth the size of hatchets indiscriminately killed and ate people? Source: [5]
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Comment: I know it's a long article, so to make it a bit easier for you to find the references in the text:
The citations for for the first hook are refs 99, 100, and 101 in the article (under the "Dance" section).
The citations for the first alt hook is ref 235 under the "Holidays" section, "Lent and Easter" subsection.
The citation for the second alt hook is ref 154 under the "Folktales" section.
Created by Kravk (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
^Georgoulas, Renee; Southcott, Jane (2015). "A case study of a Greek Australian traditional dancer: Embodying identity through musicking". Victorian Journal of Music Education. 1: 12. The Pontians brought their histories, personal narratives, language, religion and dance and from these constructed their collective identity [...] Dance is a vital part of Pontian society.
^Liddle, Valerie (2016). "Pontic dance: Feeling the absence of homeland". In Hemer, Susan R.; Dundon, Alison (eds.). Emotions, Senses, Spaces: Ethnographic Engagements and Intersections(PDF). University of Adelaide Press. p. 49. ISBN9781925261271. The movements of the dance outwardly express the passion the dancers feel about what it means to be Pontian.
^Tyrovola, Vasiliki; Karepidis, Ioakeim K.; Kardaris, Dionysios G. (September 30, 2007). ""Ποντιακοί Χοροί": Παρελθόν και Παρόν Δομική-Μορφολογική και Τυπολογική Προσέγγιση" ["Pontic Dances": Past and Present Structural-Morphological and Typological Approach]. Inquiries in Sport and Physical Education (in Greek). 5 (2): 242. ISSN1790-3041. Στο πλαίσιο της προσφυγικής αλληλεγγύης και της επικύρωσης της ποντιακής ταυτότητας, ιδρύθηκαν τοπικοί ποντιακοί σύλλογοι, οι οποίοι κυρίως μέσω του χορού και της μουσικής, ενεργοποίησαν, παράλληλα με το κέφι και τη διάδοση της ποντιακής κουλτούρας, αισθήματα κοινοκτημοσύνης και κοινωνικής ταυτότητας.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 133–134. Children were watched over by the "koukara", a potato in which seven feathers had been stuck and which was then hung from the roof. Children were told that it would see them and something bad would happen to them if they were to eat anything that should not be eaten during the period of Lent.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 112–118. The following tale, told in Amisos Pontos, about a girl whose teeth looked like hatchets is provided [...] 'Once upon a time, in a village of Sampsounta, there was born a wild girl. As days passed, this girl became bigger, and her teeth were getting much bigger as well. When she was ten years old, her teeth looked like hatchets. They would bite anyone who crossed her path. This wild girl also had a brother, two years younger than she. A day did not pass without her biting anyone [...] When she reached fifteen years of age, she ate a young child.'
... that Babydog(pictured), who is a "little rascal who looks like a brown watermelon that loves everybody" and loves chicken nuggets from Wendy's, is a fixture in West Virginia politics?
Given that the article was nominated late due to an AFD discussion, this will probably need to have an IAR exemption request at WT:DYK to run. For what it's worth I'd support an IAR just this once since I find the hook interesting and cute, but rules are rules. For next time, my suggestion would be that if you have an article that's been AFD'd, you should nominate it ASAP instead of waiting for the AFD to end, just to make sure it meets the 7-day requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
not a full review, but I'm concerned that the article does not clearly separate what is known to be true and what is filled in by the family's story. It seems that actually verifiable information here is minimal. Also, I have WP:NEVENT concerns here. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived(PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived(PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
Specific, friendly actionable advice: try balancing "Criticism" and "Defense", as the latter section is about four times longer than the former. The article seems like it's trying to bludgeon criticism to death. Bremps...16:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that locally endangered Eurasian otters along the Meghri river have become a nuisance to local fish farmers?
Source: Buzzard, Paul J.; Gyonjyan, Andranik; Kaloyan, Gor; Aghasyan, Levon (2020). "Update on the Status of the Eurasian Otter Lutra lutra in Armenia" 196–202
Source: Ben-Yehuda, Nachman (1996). Masada Myth: Collective Memory and Mythmaking in Israel. University of Wisconsin Press. ISBN 978-0-299-14833-1, p. xxi: "The bones of twenty-seven humans found on Masada are brought to burial in an official state ceremony."; pages 241-243: "The affair began in October 1963… Immediately, there were newspaper reports to the effect that the remains were probably of the fighters of Masada, and a state burial ceremony was called for. This issue was raised in March 1967, once again, by the same Shlomo Lorentz of the ultra-Orthodox party Agudat Israel. In a blazing speech in the Knesset he demanded that the remains of the skeletons found on Masada should be given a Jewish burial. Mr. Aharon Yadlin, then the minister of culture and education, pointed out that the Jewish identity of the skeletons had not been established and suggested passing the whole issue on to one of the Knesset’s committees. His suggestion was accepted. In fact, the Knesset’s Committee on Culture and Education held a discussion with Yadin on this particular issue in February and March of 1968… On March 12, 1969, Yigael Yadin told Haaretz that he was opposed to a public burial ceremony. He stated that the evidence of the identity of the skeletons was not conclusive enough. He also stated that he believed that the bones were those of the people of Masada but that he lacked definitive proof. In response to this, the spokesman for the Ministry of Religious Affairs stated the next day, also in Haaretz, that “the heroes of Masada came there from Jerusalem and fought the war of the holy city; therefore, it is only natural that their bones would find their final resting place on the Mount of Olives, which was a Jewish cemetery during the days of the Second Temple…. on July 7, 1969, the skeletons that had been uncovered by Yadin’s excavations about five years earlier were brought to burial in a full and formal military ceremony near Masada, at a place called “the hill of the defenders… An impressive array of dignitaries (including Menachem Begin, Yigael Yadin, and Rabbi Shlomo Goren) were present at the burial ceremonies."
I don't think this is that bad to deserve a cross, but you'll definitely want to add a cite to the first paragraph of Yadin's executions at minimum, and that's before interrogating any of the sources.--Launchballer14:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Launchballer: I have added a cross-ref (it had been referenced at the end of the paragraph, but the paragraph was then split in to two). Re the IP's comments, the citation quote gives all the info about the funeral, and the rest of his book is about the myth. I guess the IP is referring to the latter question. I can bring some more quotes if helpful.
For context, all the sources in the article say essentially the same thing – there is only one known original source for this event, Josephus. The Israeli national myth version differs from that story in a number of significant ways. We can add some nuance to the words "is now known to be a myth" if that is helpful, but the underlying point is beyond doubt.
The wording that it "is now known to be a myth" is simply not supported by the source provided. Perhaps "believed by some to be a myth" or even better "described by one scholar as a myth" could be supported by the citation, but "is now known to be a myth" embellishes the source far beyond any justifiable limit. Alansohn (talk) 01:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once -- the statement is simply not supported by any of the refs. It's really that simple. Actually, this brings the entire article into question now that I consider it. Plus, it doesn't seem to warrant a standalone article at all. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6043:6D87:AEA7:B5C8 (talk) 06:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO could be phrased better so as to accentuate the novelty of the occurrence. maybe "1938 Catholic eucharistic procession featured 80k marchers and a blimp broadcasting hymns?" Maximilian775 (talk)
Jubilee Bridge over the River Tay, looking downstream (south)
... that the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow construction of the Jubilee Bridge(pictured)?
Source: https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/a9 North of here, the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow the new road to run along the river valley.
All good except: (1) some portions of the text lack citations; (2) there is some copied text per Earwig's tool: [27]; and (3) the last sentence of the lead doesn't have a period. Please add cites, rewrite the copyvio in your own words, and fix the missing period. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will be off until 10am UK/UTC time Monday since I may not edit on Sunday's and will also be off that day. Also pinging Coldupnorth. Otherwise, I should be able to make those improvements on Monday. It's already 22:42 and I need to sleep. The hot weather is already making it harder. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to make the requested changes, but it seems like they have been done. Thank you Coldupnorth for this. To be fair, While I didn't start this article, I made some significant changes to it. I don't really edit on Sunday's as often as other days. JuniperChill (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison died on 22 August 1915 of wounds sustained while trying to rescue an injured soldier from no mans land?
Source: I've cited it to a book that had more detail but you can get the outline readily from: >McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.
ALT1: ... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison took up arms to snipe at Turkish soldiers in Gallipoli? Source: "Gillison used his well tried target-shooting skills to participate enthusiastically in sniping and counter sniping" from: Walter, John (28 February 2019). The Sniper Encyclopaedia: An A-Z Guide to World Sniping. Casemate Publishers. p. 236. ISBN978-1-78438-242-1.
Overall: Image is public domain, article is new and sourced. However, it seems there are possible plagiarism issues and I also do not find either hook that interesting to be honest, and not sure if ALT1 is particularly neutral. The fact about him being the only Australian chaplain to die there is perhaps more interesting. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 02:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Arcahaeoindris, can you review the paraphrasing please. I reworded "appointed a part-time chaplain to the Australian military" from the lead which in summarising the article I had returned to wording close to the source. The rest of the things flagged look to be proper names of organisations or quotes which I have attributed in the article. Can you please advise on the neutrality issue, is it a concern with WP:NPOV of the article? If with the hook then the requirement at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Guidelines only applies to living persons. That he took up arms whilst being a chaplain was certainly the most interesting fact in the article for me. Happy to look at alternatives though, I have drafted the one you recommended and a couple of others below - Dumelow (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2:... that, on 22 August 1915, Andrew Gillison became the only Australian chaplain to be killed in the Gallipoli campaign? (source: "Gillison was the only chaplain killed at Gallipoli but all knew that they risked death constantly" source: Defence Force Journal. Department of Defence. 1989. p. 81.. NB: Defence Force Journal is published by the Australian Department of Defence, so is written from that point of view. I know of William Jospeh Finn, a British chaplain that was killed there.)
ALT4: ... that among the last words in the diary of chaplain Andrew Gillison before his death at Gallipoli were "I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again"? (Source " 'I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again'. His diary ends on that sad note" from: McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.. You can also read the diary itself at "Wallet 1 of 1 - Diary relating to the service of Chaplain Andrew Gillison, 1914 - 1915 Page 147/147". Australian War Memorial. Retrieved 16 July 2024. it is the penultimate sentence)
Source: "At the age of just 15 years old, Turkey’s Begüm Pusat is one of the youngest athletes competing at the 2019 Women’s U25 World Championship" [28]
... that the designated future head of state of Andorra, Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat, is a bishop who is a fluent speaker of six languages?
Source: languages ("Domina diverses llengües a més del català i el castellà. Parla italià, francès, anglès i portuguès. [He is fluent in several languages in addition to Catalan and Spanish. He speaks Italian, French, English and Portuguese.]) - bishop/co-prince (head of state)
Comment: True that he becomes head of state because of his position as a bishop, but I don't think that's too common that it wouldn't be interesting. Open to other ways of wording the hook, though.
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 220 past nominations.
... that Lionel Haward applied an early example of offender profiling to help identify high-ranking Nazi war criminals who had disguised themselves as ordinary troops?
Source: "Less well known but perhaps more directly related to the practices that the FBI were later to develop were the efforts of a British forensic psychologist who attempted to establish a means of identifying war criminals in the chaos that followed the liberation of camps like Bergen-Belsen. Tasked with identifying Schutzstaffel (SS) camp officials and guards who had tortured prisoners, and unconvinced that witness testimony alone would suffice to identify perpetrators who had assumed the disguise of ordinary soldiers or airmen, Lionel Haward drew up a list of characteristics that high-ranking Nazi war criminals might display." Wolffram, H. (2020). Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Psychology.
^Herrera-Castillo, Carlos M.; Carrillo-Briceño, Jorge D.; Sánchez-Villagra, Marcelo R. (2021). "Non-invasive imaging reveals new cranial element of the basal ornithischian dinosaur Laquintasaura venezuelae, Early Jurassic of Venezuela". Anartia. 32: 53–60. doi:10.5281/zenodo.5571307.
... that although the Canary Islands is one of the most-visited tourist destinations in Spain, a third of its residents are at risk of poverty, a reason for mass anti-tourism protests?
ALT1: ... that wealth generated by tourism in Barcelona is claimed to be a reason for increased social inequality, causing activists to protest against overtourism?
Comment (not a full review): According to A Simple Word Counter, the article only has around 1,200 characters of prose (the song's lyrics do not count per WP:DYKLEN, as they are text presumably copied from the public domain). As such, it falls short of the 1,500 characters needed for article eligibility in DYK. Leafy46 (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and thank you, Leafy46: I had forgotten about the 1,200 characters of prose necessity and I appreciate the link to WP:DYKLEN. I will see if I can add more historical information in the meantime, and again I appreciate your comment. Evedawn99 (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm sure there are some other hooks in here somewhere; however, I believe these are strong as is. If any suggestions arise, feel free to let me know.
Improved to Good Article status by Joeyquism (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that by using Timur as the subject of the fourth poem (Timurnama) of his Khamsa (quintet), its author Hatefi implied that the Turco-Mongol conqueror was a second Alexander the Great? Source: "Hatifi wrote a Khamsa (‘Quintet’) in emulation of the Khamsas of Nizami Ganjavi and Amir Khusrau Dihlavi, but replaced the earlier poets’ romances of Alexander/Iskandar with an epic about Timur, thus implicitly identifying Timur as another Alexander." (Melville, p. 1124)
Source: "Freshly installed as the head of Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces, the first position of its kind in the world, Colonel Sukharevsky is shaping history once again." Vadym Sukharevsky, the man in charge of Ukraine’s drones
Comment: I have asked on the Ukrainian article for a cite for the family info. As a native English speaker I cleaned up this translation from the Ukrainian article but please let me know if anything else is needed.
Created by Chidgk1 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.
I don't think this counts as a full review, but this nomination will not pass. The article is full of WP:PROSELINE, which is highly discouraged. The information about his family is inherently unverifiable to anyone who isn't you. How would readers check sources? I want to see this nomination go through, but that won't be possible without restructuring the article to remove the proseline and the family information. Bremps...04:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the two victims of the 1875 Zénith balloon incident are depicted on their tomb (pictured) holding hands, as described in testimonies from the day of their death?
The article is both long and new enough. Both the topic and the hook are interesting enough for the main page. Before going ahead, there are come in-line citation tags which need to be resolved. Also, the hook is backed by two sources, one being tagged as seld published and the other in Fr. Can you come back with a reliable source in English (though it is not mandatory)? --Mhhosseintalk07:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Global Donald . Thanks for the change, the sources are improved now, though there's still one section with no references. By the way, can this small scale incident be called a "disaster"? --Mhhosseintalk09:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can name it an "incident" or whatever the reliable sources use. Please change the hook and the article text based on reliable sources. Remember not to alter the current hook, rather you need to isnert a new one called ALT1. As for your question, try to find sources talking about the two streets in Paris and consult RS for what constitutes a reliable source. Also visit WP:DYKCITE. --Mhhosseintalk04:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that cinematographer Alfredo Gandolfi also had a career as a singer which included more than 300 performances at the Metropolitan Opera?
Source: Vazzana, Eugene Michael (2001). "Gandolfi, Alfredo E., singer/cameraman". Silent Film Necrology. McFarland & Company. p. 187. ISBN9780786410590. - for duo career as singer and cameraman
Not a review, but the hook could draw more attention with careful omission. How about... ALT1: ... the Filipino government tried forcing two kidnapped activists to confess to being rebels at a press conference, but they had other plans? Bremps...20:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: this is my second DYK nomination. i learned from the mistakes I made the first time, made sure to cite all important claims in the article, waited until the article was properly evaluated to submit the DYK, and will be active in fixing any issues that may arise.
Moved to mainspace by Jeschaton (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: appeared on the Main page as RD, but still eligible. I'm open to hooks, but this tries to inform that sang title roles (rare for a baritone!), had a repertoire from Monteverdi to contemporary, portrayed mythical figures and kings, had a close connection not only to the Polish most important stage but also to the Spanish second most important stage. - Had no article, imagine!
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2112 past nominations.
Thank you for ALT1 and 2, Storye book, but please next round, don't place above my signature. I think "musician" is way too general, - could even be a pop guitarist, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry, I've moved them downstairs. Of course "musician" is rubbish, but it's for the philistines, who will otherwise delete stuff. OK, here they are corrected, in case this nom gets a reviewer who is cool with opera.
... that in the 19th century, after becoming a major religious leader of the Upper Skagit, a man named sƛ̕abəbtikəd united the tribes and established himself as their sole leader?
Source: 1. "One who attended the treaty council but did not sign it was the prophet-cultist Slaybebtkud, who came from east of the Cascade Mountains to join the Skagits. After the treaty, he exerted great authority by uniting about ten extended and autonomous village bands of the upper Skagit River and its tributaries" (Ruby et al. 2010, p.361).
2. "sƛ̕abəbtikəd became a famous innovator, introducing a new religion and a system of formal, centralized government among the Upper Skagit. As a self-selected missionary, he had a big wooden house at saxipəp...Under his leadership, this house became a "church" during the summer months...The concentation of authority in the hands of a single individual was basic in this cult" (Collins 1974, p.34).
Reviewed:
Comment: Alternatively, his name has been rendered as Slaybebtikud or Stababutkin in English, if that is easier to read (or to save on characters).
5x expanded by PersusjCP (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Source:"This statue commemorates the "comfort women"—girls and women who were forcibly taken into prostitution by the Japanese military during World War II." https://monument-tracker.org/article9
... that after Edelmiro Amante said that "I hope nobody will oppose me but should there be one, I will dispose of him", he ran unopposed in a 1993 special election?
... that the short-lived German game show Schlag den Henssler became internationally popular after a clip of a soft pretzel being cut perfectly in half circulated on social media?
... that in 1253 Henry III of England ordered that his white bear(sculpture pictured) be permitted to swim and hunt in the Thames?
Source: "they also had to suffer the indignity of one of Henry’s off-hand sets of instructions when he decided that the bear should be capable of providing for itself. The sheriffs were told to create a stout muzzle and chain so that the animal’s Norwegian handler could control the bear when leading him out of the tower down to the River Thames. Also, a long rope to control the bear when he was in the water having a wash and fishing for himself." from: Bibby, Miriam. "King Henry III's Polar Bear". Historic UK. Retrieved 20 July 2024.; the date of Henry's order is given in Stow, John (1733). A Survey of the Cities of London and Westminster, Borough of Southwark, and Parts Adjacent. T. Read. pp. 69–70.
ALT1: ... that in 1252 Henry III of England was gifted a white bear(sculpture pictured) by Haakon IV of Norway? Source: "Among the many marvels the visitor to London could experience in the 1250s was the “pale” or “white” bear presented to Henry III by King Haakon of Norway." from: Bibby, Miriam. "King Henry III's Polar Bear". Historic UK. Retrieved 20 July 2024. and "the lions were joined by a polar bear in 1252" from: "The Tower of London Menagerie". Historic Royal Palaces. Retrieved 20 July 2024.
Article was nominated 5 days after creation, so it passes the newness check.
Article is exceeds 1,500 bytes, so it passes the minimum length check.
Sources look reliable. I see that most of them were authored by people who specialize in history, which I presume are qualified and reputable enough for this subject. Earwig shows no obvious plagiarism.
Background section: I see that ref [1] doesn't have an online link provided. I did a quick search on Google and found this PDF for that ref. I think it's worth adding that PDF's URL to ref [1]. Ref [2] covers most of the content in that section, although I think it should be put next to the second sentence since it doesn't mention anything about 1834.
Hook only has one link, so the presentability rule does not apply here.
Hook is adequately cited with sources used in the article.
Both hooks are interesting. I personally prefer the main hook.
Images are public domain and are recognizable at low resolution. Captions are descriptive and succinct.
QPQ has been done by nom.
There's a few grammatically unclear sentences I would like to point out. Namely:
From then until 1834 animals were kept in the menageries continuously until 1834 - repetition of 1834.
Henry was shocked by the expense of keeping the bear so [he] delegated its upkeep to... - add "he"?
The sheriffs['] allowance of four sous a day - add a possessive apostrophe and wikilink "sous" for the layperson like me?
Other than some issues I've pointed out, the nomination is looking good! Since I'm a new reviewer, I'll have to request a second opinion from another reviewer. Nrco0e(talk • contribs)19:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a very nice image of the font on Commons to which this could be linked, but I don't know how to place it here without messing the page up. Another editor kindly helped out. KJP1 (talk) 06:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new and just barely long enough, by a margin of 17 bytes. Sourcing in the article looks good, and Earwig checks out. Image licensing looks alright as well. I don't love ALT0 (not quite interesting enough and lacks context), and ALT1 is not present in the article. QPQ is not required as nominator has 1 prior DYK nom. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PCN02WPS: I'll do some expansion later, so length shouldn't be an issue. I agree that the hooks aren't that good, so what about something like this: ALT2: " ... that unlike its 2D monochrome predecessor, Shapez 2 features 3D conveyer belts in space?" The source for ALT2 is the same Hardcore Gamer article. Alternatively, I could add the information in ALT1 to the article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs)14:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This is my first DYK nom so please inform me if I did anything wrong. Though I significantly expanded the article I didn't move it to mainspace, I attributed Remsense as the author as they created/moved the page.
Moved to mainspace by Remsense (talk) and Zinderboff (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that the Nan Oo Pagoda is classified as a double encased stupa as it envelopes a smaller stupa?
Source: (Myo Nyunt Aung 2022) is an academic paper. See page 3 for double and triple encased types. See page 9 for the Nan Oo stupa encasing a smaller stupa.
ALT1: ... that the Nan Oo Pagoda in Myinsaing was built by enveloping an earlier stupa? Source: (Myo Nyunt Aung 2022: 9) and (Tein Taman 2020)
Source: "'This is like Lazarus coming back from the dead,' USA Boxing head coach Billy Walsh said with a laugh." [30]
ALT1: ... that Jajaira Gonzalez, 2024 U.S. Olympian in women's lightweight boxing, decided to pick up the sport again after seeing her ex-teammates' posts on social media? Source: 'Jajaira Gonzalez was scrolling through social media at her job in a Virginia kickboxing gym about three years ago when she spotted some of her former USA Boxing teammates traveling the world, competing for medals and generally living their best lives. The Instagram post hit Gonzalez like a stiff jab, snapping her out of a quarter-life slumber. “They were in the water in Spain, and I was suddenly like, ‘I should be there,’” she said.' [31]
Reviewed:
Comment: Second DYK nom I've done, still new, so I apologize for any mistakes.
5x expanded by SunTunnels (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that "daughter" of the Seychelles Nicole Chang-Leng commanded an all-woman crew?
Source: Joubert-Lawen, Rita (2022-11-04). Bonnelame, Betymie (ed.). "Seychelles' first female international flight captain passes away". Seychelles News Agency. Retrieved 2024-06-24."The country will remember her as a true daughter of our soil. May her family be given courage as they go through this difficult period. May her soul rest in peace," said Ramkalawan...Chang-Leng became the first woman to command an all-female flight crew as commander on a Seychelles-Mauritius flight on August 23, 2007
ALT2: ... that Nicole Chang-Leng, described as "daughter" of the Seychelles by its president, commanded an all-woman crew?
Reviewed: [[]]
Comment: I provided in-text attribution for the "daughter of our soil" part within the article; I'm not sure if I need to provide it within the hook as well. I provided two alternative hooks just in case, but Seychellois presidents describing Chang-Leng as important is hardly controversial.
Moved to mainspace by GreenLipstickLesbian (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
By now, we have nominations for three female breakdancers. Combining them into a single hook seems sensible. Further hook suggestions would be welcome. Schwede6602:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I shall review this nomination. Newly expanded and long enough. Her birth date failed verification; the sources both give "November 1988" but the article also shows the day – this will need to be fixed, MSG17. The article is neutral. Earwig is clean. ALT0 and ALT1 are both sourced and interesting enough, but I have suggested ALT2 instead so that we can have a combined hook with the two other female breakers. Somebody else will thus have to review ALT2. QPQ has been done. Hence, this is almost good to go bar one referencing issue, and the need for somebody to review ALT2. Schwede6604:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Artist's impression of a circumplanetary disk orbiting a brown dwarf, similar to J1407b
... that the "Super Saturn" exoplanet J1407b might actually turn out to be a free-floating planet or brown dwarf?
Source: "Issues with the stability of any rings combined with the lack of detection of another eclipse, suggests that J1407b may not be bound to J1407." Mentel, R. T.; et al. (2018). "Constraining the period of the ringed secondary companion to the young star J1407 with photographic plates". Astronomy & Astrophysics.; "...the object we called J1407b is floating freely through the Galaxy, and just happened to pass in front of a very young star." Kenworthy, M. A. J1407b. (2024)
Comment: The J1407b article was converted from redirect into article as a result of a split from the V1400 Centauri article. I began slowly expanding V1400 Centauri on 8 July 2024, but I did not add much to the J1407b section until 24 July 2024. As of today, it's been 5 days since I significantly expanded the J1407b section. Also, the image is optional; I'm fine whether it is used or not.
Converted from a redirect by Nrco0e (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Blair Colony was once one of the highest concentrations of African Americans in South Dakota? Source: Hascall, Randy (June 1, 2003). "The Last Descendant". Argus Leader. Rural Pierre. p. 4A. Retrieved July 29, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
@Chomik: can you pick a hook that's more definitive? "Likely" sounds ambiguous and usually requires attribution.VR(Please ping on reply)14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vice regent: most sources agree that this was the Wagner Group's biggest loss in Mali ([33][34][35]) but I'm not sure if it would be acceptable to remove the word "likely" since there's no confirmed death toll. If not, I could change the hook to be about Ukraine's involvement. Chomik! (talk?) 14:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the toll is not confirmed best not to use it as a hook. Ukraine's involvement does sound more interesting.VR(Please ping on reply)16:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks good as it is. I would prefer "that Ukraine said it provided Tuareg rebels with assistance in their successful ambush of Wagner Group mercenaries in Mali?" As I said on talk this was more of an ambush. But I think your alt is fine too.VR(Please ping on reply)22:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Sachi Narashima came up with the idea for the mangaCosmetic Playlover after her friend, who worked as a beauty consultant, mentioned to her that there were male beauty consultants?
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: Article was nominated within 7 days of creation. Unfortunately, it currently sits at 1,354 characters in prose and seems to be a stub, with all information crammed into the lead, so therefore it is too short to qualify for DYK. Earwig picked up an unlikely copyright violation of 1%. Nominator has less than 5 nominations so a QPQ is not required at this time. Should this pass, for a different variation of ALT1, I suggest, ALT2: "... that Three Girls Revitalizing Asia is credited with assigning a girl group member a representative role seen in modern Japanese idol culture?" lullabying (talk) 05:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I will change this to maybe. The article still seems like a stub. Is it possible it can be formatted so it can properly have a lead and a body? lullabying (talk) 20:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Johann Joseph Dömling suggested in 1803 that venous blood contained carbon monoxide? Source: Hopper et al. 2021: "Endogenous presence of CO in human blood first appeared in an article by Johann Doemling who suggested it to be a constituent of venous blood (1803) ", also [36] here
ALT1: ... that after Johann Joseph Dömling was given a free education paid for by the prince-bishop of Würzburg, he worked in Würzburg as professor of physiology and pauper's doctor? Source: Gerabek 2007: "Ein Armenstipendium des Fürstbischofs ermöglichte D. den Besuch der Höheren Schule in Würzburg, wo er auch sein Medizinstudium absolvierte, das er 1797 mit der Dissertation abschloß. ... In Würzburg wurde D. 1799 zum Prof. für Physiol. und zum Stadtarmenarzt ernannt." See p. 318 (TWL)
I don't see that in our guidelines — take a look at WP:DYKINT. I've personally written about a murder and it was added to DYK. Perhaps you're thinking of our rule that hooks must use a neutral point of view? In this case, the hook may seem "downbeat" but it's very neutral, stating simple facts. On the other hand, "... that a terrible drone attack terrorized Tel Aviv?" would be unacceptable for its lack of neutrality. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Earwig gives " Violation Unlikely, 15.3%". No major problems that I can see. Mhhossein has not yet completed QPQ. VR(Please ping on reply)01:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2016/06/winslow-homers-early-days "The 1853 Homer House, an Italianate mansion that dominates a hill just above Belmont town center, is open for tours. ... Guided tours highlight the largely untouched original interior architecture, along with the life and early work of the couple’s nephew, Winslow Homer. ... He and his family lived nearby, but in a modest farmhouse (still standing and privately owned)..."
Comment: Open to synonyms for "historic": "consequential"? "significant"? Our tried and true "notable"? Each would work, but have slightly different alternative meanings.
Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.
Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2022). "Jews, Food, and Spain: the Oldest Medieval Spanish Cookbook and the Sephardic Culinary Heritage". Boston: Academic Studies Press. pp. 64–69; Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2020). "The Sephardi Origin of the Challah Braided Bread". Meldar: Revista Internacional De Estudios sefardíes. 1: 69–71
ALT1: ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a medieval Andalusian cookbook, contains an early version of Jewish challah bread, which may have traveled with Jews expelled from Spain and influenced Ashkenazi cuisine? Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2020). "The Sephardi Origin of the Challah Braided Bread". Meldar: Revista Internacional De Estudios sefardíes. 1: 69–71
ALT2: ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a medieval Andalusian cookbook, contains an early version of mofletta, a pancake dish still enjoyed by SephardicMoroccan Jews during Mimouna, a post-Passover celebration? Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2022). "Jews, Food, and Spain: the Oldest Medieval Spanish Cookbook and the Sephardic Culinary Heritage". Boston: Academic Studies Press. pp. 64–69
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5x expanded by PeleYoetz (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that Milkie Way(pictured) has powerful nipples? Source: "Awards were handed out, including one saluting Wargasm as the Best U.K. Breakthrough Band, but the group's experience at the 2021 Heavy Music Awards will also have one other notable memory as bassist Milkie Way's performance with Trash Boat's Tobi Duncan reportedly got the Awards' Twitch stream shut down for three days when Way's nipples became visible through her chain top. It was a moment that apparently didn't phase the event's organizers or some of the fellow performers, but ended up causing a strike by the awards' streamer over showing nudity. Way tweeted after the ceremony, "I would say I'm sorry for getting the Heavy Music Awards Twitch stream shut down for 3 days because of my nipples but I'm simply not," then adding, "Man, can't believe my nipples are so powerful." https://loudwire.com/twitch-shut-down-2021-heavy-music-awards-stream-wargasm-milkie-way-nipples/
ALT2: ... that a performance by Milkie Way(pictured) at the 2021 Heavy Music Awards got its Twitch stream banned for three days? Source: per ALT0; last month's most viewed hook was a non-'that' hook, and so this could also work as a 'why' hook
... that the idea for Clustertruck came from a developer wanting to escape traffic?
Source: [37]: "'That drive [from Gamescom] is super long, like 15 hours, and it was a hot day, and we were stuck in traffic,' [Petter Henriksson, the game's programmer] says. 'There were trucks everywhere, and Wilhelm [Nylund, the CEO and founder of Landfall Games] thought that it would be so much easier if we could just get up and just jump on the trucks and get home, because nothing was moving.'"
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Improved to Good Article status by TrademarkedTWOrantula (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that the 1990 Serbian general election elected only two women to the National Assembly of Serbia? Source: Stokić, Ljubiša B. (1994). Demokratija i osvajanje vlasti: izbori u Srbiji 1990 [Democracy and the conquest of power: the elections in Serbia in 1990] (in Serbian). Belgrade: Zenit. p. 624. ISBN86-81987-06-2.
ALT1: ... that in the 1990 Serbian general election the Socialist Party of Serbia won 78% of seats despite only winning 48% of the popular vote? Source: Martinov, Zlatoje (2000). U podnožju demokratskih propileja: Izbori u Srbiji, 1990–2000 [At the pedestal of the democratic propylaea: Elections in Serbia, 1990–2000] (in Serbian). Belgrade: Republika. p. 26. OCLC50410508.
Comment: The only issue that might pop up in this DYK nomination is the timespan of the expansion. I began expanding the article on 8 July when it was at 22k. Now, on 30 July, the article is at 177k. The article met the 5x criteria on 15 July, when it reached 112k, but was not finished. If this is really strict, I won't have any problems with the DYK being rejected now, considering that the article is up for GAN so I'll re-nominate it for DYK once it passes the GA review sometime in the future.
5x expanded by Vacant0 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Source: 日本の北朝鮮ファンクラブ、「先軍女子」がダンス披露 [Japanese North Korea fan club 'Military First Girls' performs dances]. Reuters (in Japanese). 6 November 2017.
ALT1: ... that fans of the Military-First Girls, a Japanese girl group that performs North Korean pop songs, are known as tongmu, meaning 'comrade'? Source: Mao, Yi (4 November 2017). 日本正妹哈北韓 先軍女孩爆紅 [Pretty Japanese girls, North Korea: Military-First Girls become famous]. Liberty Times (in Chinese (Taiwan)).
This is a neat fact, I'll jump on this. Article is new and long enough, and QPQ is met. Reuters is a reliable source and the primary proposed hook is obviously uncontroversial. The first hook is definitely the most direct and interesting, though personally I'd word it in a more attention-grabbing way such as "...that there is a Japanese girl group that performs North Korean pop songs?", stating it less as a fact and more as an anecdote. Not a dealbreaker if you prefer it as is though, the hook is perfectly acceptable. My main concern is with the article itself. While it's mostly presentable, seems copyright free, and has adequate sourcing, I'm concerned about the accuracy of its framing of the topic. It calls them a girl group and states they do musical performances of Korean pop. However, most sources (both utilized and other general google results) appear to call them a fan club, and I can only find any reference to them doing dance, not singing. The Reuters sources cited for them performing music has a lot of photos where they appear to be dancing without any apparent microphones, and again calls them a fan club who are dancing. This also seems more consistent with their undefined scope of membership. If they are not in fact a musical act, this is a major flaw in the article and the hook, which directly touches on them as a pop act. Do you have any sources that confirm they do any singing and are considered to be a girl group? LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 05:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LittleLazyLass: The Liberty Times article describes them as a "girl group" (女子團體), but it literally means "girl group" and does not refer to a singing act, specifically. I've also come to realise that my understanding of the term "girl group" differs from the definition given on Wikipedia and in most English-language dictionaries. If a girl group was defined by their performances of or to music as I had understood it, then all the sources given would imply this descriptor. However, since that is not the definition of a girl group, I will adjust the article and propose new hooks tomorrow to remedy the issues you have highlighted. Thank you for your help thus far. Yue🌙07:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC).jpg)
@TarheelBornBred: I am afraid this nomination is ineligible as it does not meet the requirements of WP:DYKNEW, i.e. it was not created, promoted to good article status or expanded fivefold in the seven days leading up to the nomination. If it were to reach good article status then the nomination could be resubmitted. CSJJ104 (talk) 23:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
As far as I can determine, all of the edits prior to 3 June were done in draft space, and on 3 June the article was recreated (rather than moved) in mainspace. This would make the "new" date 3 June, and a nomination three days later, on 6 June, would certainly be eligible for DYK. CSJJ104, do you have any evidence to the contrary? TarheelBornBred, is this what happened? I strongly suspect that this needs a full review, and the sooner that can be done, the better. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Per MOS:PLOTSOURCE the quotes in the Plot section need citations.
no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Approved only for ALT hook proposed by me. Mehedi Abedin (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
I have copyedited Mohan Charan Majhi, but 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election is very poorly-written and needs an extensive copyedit to meet WP:DYKCOMPLETE; if the article updaters are unable, I would recommend nominating it at WP:GOCE, but that may take too long. There is also the problem of the hook not being very interesting. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
New enough and long enough. QPQ present. This is a unique contribution to DYK as it is three paragraphs and a list; even though one paragraph does not end in an inline citation, I am treating it as a lead-section paragraph. All the list bullet points contain at least one inline citation. The hook fact checks out and is included. Image is OGL-licensed and acceptable for the Main Page. Good to go after 4 July per above. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
In any case, article was removed from redirect June 9 and was only nominated ten days later, three days late from the prescribed period. This is not going anywhere. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC).svg/20px-Blue_question_mark_(italic).svg.png)
My first DYK review and I'm not sure about the hook, so requesting another reviewer. Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ 20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Note: In the interests of not duplicating every comment, I'll just note that there is a parallel discussion happening at Talk:TESCREAL#Neutrality (to/from which some of these comments have been copied). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 12:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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